m. no of enclosures n. rated nco's email address (.gov or .mil) from (yyyymmdd) thru (yyyymmdd) part ii - authentication . Bullets not spaced with a blank space/line. xref Normally, this type of report will be rendered as, the first evaluation for newly assigned Officers and NCOs in an organization. Rating officials and rated Soldiers signing more than 14 days prior to the THRU date. Extract AR 623-3 3-43. I was in a motorcycle accident and my chain of command directed that I perform over 100 hours of riding mentorship before I can use my cycle again by myself. A code 04, "Change of Duty" report, is mandatory when a rated Soldier is reassigned to a different principal duty while still serving under the same rater or when he or she is separated from Army service. The Board ID Code is associated with the SSNs of the promotion-eligible personnel. Also, for profiles the rater is supposed to comment on whether or not the profile hinders the Rated Soldiers ability to do his/her job. I was trying to get out at 16.5 and 17 and at the transfer and after the transfer. I am waiting for the TBI one I guess. All rights reserved. These ratings are allowed but the reviewers must nonconcur with one or both of the rating officials and write his/her own assessment in a memorandum that gets attached to the evaluation. hbbd``b`>$C`201210"g0 Z10b?sxn$zc=}aF|5q?6g#pNyJA>(k54#j$o " The intent of this type of report is to give a rated Soldier an evaluation similar to an Annual containing 12 rated months after. Also, as the regulation stands right now there should be at least 21 months of physical time between FROM and THRU dates to qualify for an extended annual. endstream endobj 521 0 obj <>stream I have a Soldier that arrived at the unit and the BN will not let the Soldier take PTDY for house hunting but they allow everyone else to do it. 0000001411 00000 n Wrong reason code. - Extended Annual reports have 3 or 12-16 months AC; 4 or 12-16 months USAR and ARNG. AR 623-205 is obsolete. the medboard seems to be moving now, I just need to know about the NCOER thing and if the medboard process takes to long can I just get out. I am waiting on orders to clear and get out. 4) Depart TDY. %PDF-1.6 % 5\5\ & & & & & & & O O O & & O O O O & A8wK O 0 O : : O : O 0 O 3 : > : Seven Types of NCOERs Initial: prepared for a NCO with 3 rated months after promotion to SGT/E-5. I have no other gaps during my NCO time. "The rating period does not meet the minimum time requirements for the specified reason for . You may not alter or remove any trademark, copyright or other notice from copies of the content. 532 0 obj <>/Filter/FlateDecode/ID[<6FE3C53DA0E19643A834C17A8DCC5D13>]/Index[516 22]/Info 515 0 R/Length 82/Prev 100999/Root 517 0 R/Size 538/Type/XRef/W[1 2 1]>>stream Use of PCS for NCOER is not allowed (although in the form drop down menu). 3) Relief for Cause. # $ % 1 7 ^ b g h o p q + , - > @ U a I switched units. Submit your question and AskTOP! No report is submitted when organizational changes merely alter the rated Soldiers principal duty title butdo not change the type of work performed (for example, personnel management staff officer to Assistant G1). m From what Im tracking you typically have to have an NCOER complete to clear your unit, but I cant sign it until 14 days prior (halfway through PCS leave) to my thru date. Soldiers with permanent profiles also get an alternate APFT or are allowed not to take an APFT. 0000002424 00000 n The NCO Corps deserves a lot better. &8 .53\C)_T LQ0ErlF11Dq.Qa The pandemic didn't help things. That should also be a change of rater. However no one will mentor me. kp9\2V ?oHYl6fW^mPrM5eav ]$l(N_4(,4b:u?hvHT6 A{H}@oo8M02- V1%K1JZjV`. 9\+%[dC!o[[[XXGv`fZdZ Their NCOER dont annotate the word PROFILE but should reflect either PASS, FAIL, or be left blank for no APFT, depending on their status with that alternate APFT. 616 0 obj <>stream The only reason why I am going through this is casue of the reserves "aggressive retention policy and the Retention NCO said because since is a result of multiple IED blast that I would be a fool not to take advantage of the combat thing that makes it so you can collect retirement and VA stuff. SFC (Join to see) the guidance about this issue came out in an ALARC message. h[k07Jm($[%k>hHl?cKRCH:#QRFLiyvMr97K[ztjv7\/5d0HAgU'HmD00ZgfOsq(@Zz{9hR~7U5Wn9.%.5],B8ai,Z.+q}O78wp)nl(>BmQaK3V8^JWN12T~:%0u`{ {[nq",G]0]D '= ;IPjHmR{?. `cOTI6-TR{$ CI%H `0pAc:>;Iriz(`: F{b 3vu@ ` { hTPN0SK4l\tYvB%,MO=V. Thanks for your service and your support. endstream endobj startxref Ron Hite. 5OJ QJ ^J h[ 0J CJ OJ QJ ^J aJ h[ 5OJ QJ ^J #h[ h[ 5CJ$ OJ QJ ^J aJ$ h[ CJ aJ 7 g h l Your thru date should be the date you sign out. Find out what's new at AskTOP.net, new product notifications, and get exclusive offers! endstream endobj 610 0 obj <>stream This is not an official government website. is FAIR or POOR (do not promote, a 4 or 5). HfZ9FGU#lH#?vCBCAF^ECA}=B9~EqE #+Z]V#}a+Pyi bjbj . Use information from multiple sources when making important professional decisions. As for confusion you can never have more than 12 months of rated time on an evaluation. It states that once you arrive to your new unit, you would traditionally get an extended annual to take in account for your transition leave. Use of PCS for NCOER is not allowed (although in the form drop down menu). 0000000016 00000 n 5) 60 Day Opt. AR 623-3 is current. Rating officials and rated Soldiers signing more than 14 days prior to the THRU date. Ordnance corp. What type of NCOER am I supposed to receive while awaiting my assignment? AskTOP is a blog that connects you to a network of active and retired military leaders who answer your Army leadership questions. Hard; Annual reports have 12 months with no nonrated time. Complete the Record: requested from the Department of the Army. Bullets. I commonly will take 28 or 29 just because of processing time through the unit, so I don't have an NCOER with an "E" code. The THRU date will be 12 rated months (365 rated days) after the. %PDF-1.4 % there was a pandemic and I am trying to be medboarded can I request unrated time? ;q I have renelisted to active duty and have looked into OCS which requires the last 3 NCOERs and WOCS which requires the last 10 years. Can you name at least 3 Reason codes for non-rated time? The next regulation will make these requirements for NCOER slightly more generic but until then the current rules stand. (NCOER Counseling and Support Form) with DA Form 2166-9-1A (NCO Evaluation Report Support Form), mandated for use by %M,Eq\"y|n.ahT 6KZdvd^c]rS4$-!Kz,)f2'%l7>gDMpvZ$7n{@7u'NY?j6W,_'!G}KQ`ao0zzMbG;5- G;/6rrj{0c[TLp,437@l$/6>? There is no required length or type of nonrated time between the THRU date of the last OER or NCOER and the, establishment of a new rating relationship in order to render an Extended Annual report. Many of these reports will arrive reflecting for the APFT PROFILE and no date. %%EOF I can get that cool hour glass and everyone can carry me out because bt that time I'm not walking anywise.. > ( * ' _ <<79B0718CA575E44C8CDF5F03974A70F3>]>> The period covered on the, Extended Annual report will be longer than 1 calendar year, but the rating period or rated months (period covered. This occurs when the rater marks in VII.a. The THRU date will be determined by the, rated Soldiers circumstances. I'm on a dead man profile its all related to my EID blast in Iraq. my question. I can train. Are you looking for an unbiased outside opinion? + I recently received an Article 15 and I am due to ETS in 2 months but my unit wants to chapter me. I am being told I will receive a dishonorable discharge. Q$~,EPBi_Ye_Q#kt2:RF&r!xei_=YhRqB43I6;=AmQ|:/Ur=s6{k_fr5se#\C`'`!0!leV> 2) Change of Rater. &NI?q:\`1vINhCpiWI4zI5nuz^asRF"oqZ@jCobn'A*1~KM;+-Yil}o)+9C9X~v^QDB.q)AGvB @jT/(Cs4>mm#4z9z endstream endobj 523 0 obj <>stream status code . Use of PCS for NCOER is not allowed (although in the form drop down menu). There needs to be an explanation and if needed the lack of CAC can work but Soldiers have the option of ink-signing and this option should be used when needed. endstream endobj 520 0 obj <>stream My chain of command frequently puts out information after 2000 hours is there anything I can do to get them to do it during formation or a reasonable hour? everyone involved now is very positive and they are moving it forward I just need to know about the Non rated time and how it relates to retirement. I have refused to get vaccinated for religious reasons. Missing counseling dates without an explanation by the senior rater. A-Awol B-Break in active enlisted service of 12 months or less 25W4O, 42A5MA3, and 18Z5PW9LA) If an NCO does not possess an ASI or LI, only a 5 digit MOS is entered - An alpha or numeric entry may be used to denote the last digit of the skill level (0 or O) MOS Skill Level. (1) In the direct line of supervision of the rated NCO and designated as the senior rater for a minimum period of 60 rated days. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Watch SGT Josh Maria as he explains more about the PSD: . I cant cry in front t of soldiers. I need out. N o r m a l CJ _HaJ mH sH tH D A` D D e f a u l t P a r a g r a p h F o n t R i R T a b l e N o r m a l 4 }87>F!V>N5ckrtNNLBtm&m]fTL9)53)5 c3k7IFt"bir#?tj^1 LB#Y'o+FJW_LD|$w1*uk;blngb trSq i'rp~}@v%hp0lt;7k@q,qy(r?3(8i%>VPIw;}/B(?Kjz7l?iG\JVvf('- j) Profiles are supposed to be renewed regularly. 49,=VNp!>-LF3j9M-0X#Z)Q%Ofd*nNX k\A,1Z5SU6[Ypq3zPA1@m 537 0 obj <>stream arrival or assignment date while performing the same duties under the same rating officials during this rating period. Save 5% off your first order with the Coupon Code ASKTOP05. This ensures that any evaluation (i.e. trailer signatures (legally by regulation) but probably more than need to. The THRU date will include 90 rated, days (120 rated days for USAR TPU, DIMA, or drilling IRR Soldiers or ARNG Soldiers). Extended months can be any amount between 3 and 12 but no more. I just cant physically do anything. I am in the reserves so everyone I have ever heard of that is getting medboarded or medboarded has taken 2-3 years. Is this true? That should also be a change of rater. You will need a Change of Duty evaluation report to close out your military service. m Common NCOER Error Codes Common NCOER Error Codes Recently Added Latest articles in NCOER Prepare An NCOER (click the blocks on the NCOER to view info) NCOER FAQ AR 623-205 NCOER Bullet Database DA Form 2166-8 NCO-ER Bullet Examples and Explanations NCOER Appeals Checklist That meant no one looked at it prior to signature and submission. REASON FOR SUBMISSION n. its not cool. Must a Soldier be counseled before separ Must a Soldier be counseled before separation? I have an annual NCOER due this month and if I get non rated time because I am going through a med board does it move my retirement date? Amandatory code 03, Change of Rater report, will be prepared when a change of duty also results in a change of rater(see para 340). Getting ready to PCS, my Rater says my thru date is the report date from my orders. Bullets spaced with more than a single spaces between them. As for the non-rated codes, that would come from your next unit. Change of rater reports have 90 rated days or more AC; 120 rated days or more USAR and ARNG. The DA Form 2166-8 also provides evaluation information to ensure that sound personnel management decisions can be made and that an NCO's potential can be fully developed. 373 0 obj<>stream I was a 1SG for a while and stayed on until I could find a replacement because we had no senior NCOES that were not deployed or deploying. "Change of Duty" report a. I had major trying to shove one down my throat. 2023 AskTOP.net Leader Development for Army Professionals. I just cant physically do anything. Annual: prepared 12 months after the last issued NCOER. Your senior rater is what counts. We cannot get it to the correct OMPF without this. Go to our comment section on the right sidebar. How should I determine the thru date on my NCOER for an overseas PCS? . We all know which of our coworkers . #d/k|0a" 0p5!L.p5D%7 Start: Jun 29, 2022 Get Offer Offer Course Hero is not sponsored or endorsed by any college or university. He held 3 military occupational specialties (Field Artillery, Nuclear Weapons Tech, and Ammunition Ordnance). Bullets going over 2 lines. I figure if this takes as long as everyone else (12 individuals) then I can jsut give up and retire in aug 2021. 0000001495 00000 n (4) Extended evaluations reports that include any nonrated time periods since the THRU date of the previous, OER or NCOER and prior to the establishment of a new rating relationship between the rated Soldier and the rater, require the preparation of a code 10, Extended Annual OER or NCOER (see para 342, months will not exceed 12 (365 rated days) even though the period covered exceeds 1 calendar year. H\n@{b/ n EarNJd vo|wnvihqvox&St}.\5\16?YUG:y{)>fS_qm6TK=~Cw)7}X4Coc/1Vq[l7]OYU`jR.dKyC3__uyLa,9 +"tz8=Ne"0 4{6Mh6Mh6Mh6Mh6Mh=P If I receive quarters for 24 hours when am I required to report to work? (1) confusion about extended annuals and (2) non use of the nonrated code wizard in the form. The rating period begins the day the, Soldier is assigned under an established rating chain (for example, the day a Soldier arrives at a new unit or the day the, Soldier assumes their new duty position). Extended annuals with more than 12 months in the month block and/or no nonrated codes. $a$gd[ , 1h/ =!"#$% s 2 & 6 F V f v 2 ( & 6 F V f v & 6 F V f v & 6 F V f v & 6 F V f v & 6 F V f v & 6 F V f v 8 X V ~ 0 @ 0 @ 0 @ 0 @ 0 @ 0 @ 0 @ 0 @ 0 @ 0 @ 0 @ 0 @ 0 @ 0 @ _HmH nH sH tH @ ` @ 8 (2). The THRU date will be, 12 rated months (365 rated days) after the arrival or assignment date while performing the same duties under the same, rating officials during this rating period. . As it was said before, your thru date will be the day you sign out of leave, or the last day you worked for your rater. What action is taken when a Soldier marks disagree and provides a rebuttal statement? Wrong reason code. You must log in or register to reply here. endstream endobj 524 0 obj <>stream Can a Soldier flagged for over weight be deployed? Mark is one of the leading military authors in the fields of leadership, counseling, and training. Subject: Do I Need an Evaluation Report if I am Going to ETS, Retire, or Separate Under the Med Board Process? Ncoer Reason For Submission Codes Codes and reasons for an NCOER submission named them. I should just get out. FULLY CAPABLE (or promote) and the senior, Amazingly many evaluations arent reviewed for a correct Rated Soldier SSN. If they have not been, the rater should make some comment. Standard reason-for-submission codes (for example, code 03, "Change of Rater," or code 04, "Change of Duty," and so forth)will apply on these "Extended" reports that end before the required 12 rated months (365 rated days), even though the "period covered" on the OER or NCOER may exceed 1 calendar year. Counseling Dates When counseling dates are omitted, the senior rater will enter a statement in section Ve, explaining why counseling was not accomplished example counseling dates were not documented ; DA Pam. Jg-raAqn6({! }d<=OO$C%lMW'BVPDzxqg[tdBD+R \e$yN)U+ "oSMj4h7BfyTdIt] 7h9Cp6@q]4O`#)CJx@yPxdg0. The FROM date on the Extended Annual report would, be the day after the THRU date of the previous completed OER or NCOER. There dont have to be dates in the blocks; but if there arent, the senior rater must make a mention of their absence. Also, use of Complete the Record for SGT. AskTOP is hosted by CSM Mark Gerecht (US Army Retired) and features guest articles authored by a number of qualified Subject Matter Experts. rater's signature a4. Annual: prepared 12 months after the last issued NCOER. There are two problems here. I have never heard of the -205 before, so I will give it a look over tomorrow. 0000002347 00000 n We also find that many senior raters say DO NOT PROMOTE but mark a 3 or even 2 in the potential box check. ETS Retirement. I just need to know about the NCOER thing and if the medboard process takes to long can I just get out. What can I do as the commander. T i m e s N e w R o m a n 1 . Bye the way my battalion commander made 3 Star. As for the non-rated codes, that would come from your next unit. A code 04, "Change of Duty" report, is mandatory when a rated Soldier is reassigned to a different principal duty while still serving under the same rater or when he or she is separated from Army service. Additional information on nonrated time is found in paragraphs 333 and G4. Mark is a Retired Command Sergeant Major with 26 years of military leadership experience. Raters use the DA Form 2166-8 (NCOER) to provide DA with performance and potential assessments of each rated NCO. I have an annual NCOER due this month and if I get non rated time because I am going through a med board does it move my retirement date? According to Paragraph 1-1, "The Army is a profession. Using the Wizard application associated with the . Wrong reason code. Each Soldiers situation must be considered individually, just as each evaluation report. arrival in a new unit or position under a rater, unless another type of mandatory or optional evaluation is warranted (for example, Change of Rater, Change of Duty, Complete the Record, or SROption). everyone wants to help and now that I've gotten ahold of the very nice lady that works on MEDBOARD stuff it the paperwork is due soon and hopefully they can schedule appointments. hb```g ea80yQF `>bFf 1s"s's y2U330T/fa`m2fr30v@U " He did. However, if an event occurs that requires the preparation of an OER or, NCOER (for example, Change of Rater) before the 12 rated months (365 rated days) have accumulated, an OER or, NCOER will be rendered with a THRU date that corresponds with the event requiring an evaluation. %PDF-1.6 % Reason Code. Can I be forced to purchase an optional Can I be forced to purchase an optional piece of equipment or clothing? +z#|sYgY0gS8gZW(|> Directed Reports: requested from the Department of the Army. ]"|W~2>6HXg>t].Q\'_[#{>q leave, lack of rater qualification, TDY, permissive TDY, and in transit travel). It will be followed successively by other types of. px2iq I-e\,JMFVPz5imc~9pfY}AfEO5xP `e '#I*!m}M.)0p4 !^@ #i`4M!82x2N\X:5dX`d0 " There are many coming in without signatures (legally by regulation) but probably more than need to. It may not display this or other websites correctly. No bullets on front side, not all sections with at least one bullet. gd8 OJ QJ ^J hq1V h8 We are making strides everyday to update our website and will continue to do so. Extended annuals with more than 12 months in the month block and/or no nonrated codes. Change of Duty report a. Relief for Cause: for a NCO whose performance warrants this NCOER and has a minimum of 30 days rated time. AR 670-1 prescribes uniform and grooming standards for Army personnel. You are using an out of date browser. OERs or NCOERs (see paras 18, 333, 339, 349, and 350) along with other types of nonrated time (for example. a1. DA Pam, Page 44, table 3-3, NCOER Part IIIf. 0000001714 00000 n (See paras 3-30, 4-12, and 5-11 of AR 623-205 for exceptions.) 0 I'm real messed up. Can't find yours or want to contribute. DAPAM 623-3 provides a listing of the box check interpretations. reason for submission: j. period covered k. rated months .All passing APFT scores are valid until March 2022. ssn a3. DAPAM 623-3 is pretty specific with what is required for FAILS or PROFILES in. her NCOER (and the NCOER cannot be forwarded to him or her to sign), unable to sign the NCOER digitally or manually, or refuses to sign the NCOER for any reason, the senior rater will either resolve the problem or explain the reason for the lack of a signature. That last element will change in the next regulation release but for now still stands. Reason is that board members question if rating officials were actually rating officials all the way to the end of the rating period. Question/situation: I am going through the Medical board process and I'm almost complete. United States Military Academy NCO NCO E-5 a A mandatory code 10 Extended Annual report will be prepared when any nonrated A a mandatory code 10 extended annual report will be School United States Military Academy Course Title NCO E-5 Type Notes Uploaded By DoctorUniverse2189 Pages 139 Ratings 100% (5) I also have absolutely no experience with a med board and I was in a airborne unit for 17 years. Change of rater should be used. l 4 a ( k ( N o L i s t B ^@ B [ N o r m a l ( W e b ) d d [$\$ O [ b o d y PK ! A key component of the current evaluation system is that rated Soldiers get to actually see and review their evaluation prior to its placement in the OMPF. PMOSC - Enter up to nine digits of the primary MOS code (i.e. Also, use of Complete the Record for SGT. I said these because due to CONVID 19, the organization did not have much to do.Soldier has been moved from a team to brigade to act as secretary to the brigade commander office pending on the civilian hiring position. Use the Subject drop-down menu in the main navigation bar to choose from a wide variety of topics including Army Awards, Army Counseling, Army Corrective Training, Army Inspections, Army Leadership, Women in the Army, Army Promotions, Army Training, and Military Justice. 5OJ QJ ^J h8 A mandatory code 10, Extended Annual report will be prepared when any nonrated time periods have occurred, since the THRU date of the previous OER or NCOER (for example, prior to the establishment of a new rating, relationship between the rated Soldier and the rater). minus nonrated time) will be no more than 12 months (365 rated days). The reason for submissionwill reflect the event that warranted the generation of an evaluation (that is, change of duty, discharge, separation, orretirement). Change of Rater: prepared when the soldier has a change of rater, provided there are at least 3 rated months involved. Special Reports: Is it true when a new leader takes over I get a fresh start and my previous counselings no longer matter? In other words, AR 670-1 exists to show soldiers how to look like soldiers. Or vice versa: the senior rater marks a potential box of SUPERIOR (promote, 3) but the rater marks MARGINAL (do not promote). The appropriate nonrated, codes (that is, Q for lack of rater qualification, S for school, I for intransit, and so forth) will be used for the nonrated, periods captured on the evaluation. months; nonrated codes are found in DA Pam 6233. Complete the Record, Annual, Change of Rater, etc.) l. nonrated codes . Seven Types of NCOERs Initial: prepared for a NCO with 3 rated months after promotion to SGT/E-5. Figure 31 contains example of timelines to show when an Extended report is, (1) All schooling periods, whether or not the Soldier receives an AER, will be accounted for as nonrated time on. According to the AR and PAM, it looks like I just need the nonrated codes but my HR ncoic is saying there needs to be bullet explaining nonrated time. Missing counseling dates without an explanation by the senior rater. A: The rated NCO's signature on the NCO-ER indicates that he reviewed and verified the administrative data on the NCO-ER, to include all information in Part I of the report, the counseling dates, the height/weight/APFT data, and certify that all of that information is correct/accurate. The Complete the Record term is one for evaluations just prior to selection boards. l Hj0~ ~ name of rater (last, first, mi) a2. Can they do this? There are some very specific requirements in DAPAM 623-3 for these situations that were written to help boards understand the information. None of these are acceptable in most situations. 343. o Updates submission and processing procedures of DA Form 2166-9-1, DA Form 2166-9-2, and DA Form 2166-9-3 for Army National Guard noncommissioned officers (para 3-33 and app H). DAPAM 623-3 is pretty specific with what is required for FAILS or PROFILES in the APFT section and for NO in the HT/WT section. Page 48, table 3-6/7, Codes and Reasons for submission/Reason Codes for non-rated time I am currently getting revaluated with the VA and I am half way through the evaluation and I have a 90% rating I have like 10-15 more appointments with them. Gents, on my current ncoer I will have two months of nonrated time due to transit and nonqualified rater (new transfer to the unit rear det, then caught up with the forward element down range).
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