They usually drown their victims, hit and run car accidents, or just disappear the victim, etc anything that ensures theres no obvious intent to the police. To see all content on The Sun, please use the Site Map. Theres some orange with white dots. However, image 510 was taken on April 8, in the darkness of the jungle. Kris Kremers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22, went for a walk through the scenic forests around the Baru volcano in Boquete - and never returned. Either way, itll be interesting to see. Im very curious what your experience is living in Latin America, because generalizations like your statement are certainly inconsistent with many disappearance stories and law enforcement activity here. And one of the images chillingly showed the back of Kris' head with what some sleuthes believe is blood leaking from her temple. Also, Im looking forward to reading the new book as well, particularly what Pitti has to say. I would certainly buy it if it had been printed in English. Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon were both adventurers. I dont know if this photo is before or after a photo where Kris appears to have mud on her legs and on her arm. "The Sun", "Sun", "Sun Online" are registered trademarks or trade names of News Group Newspapers Limited. Any idea of the exact location where this picture is taken? The camera and photos were tampered with with photos removed and other photos cropped and reduced in size. Of course there is room for healthy and rational speculation surrounding what happened but the vast majority of these theories are absolutely ridiculous and downright disrespectful. There was no signal!! However, with the high resolution photo, you can more clearly see an organized structure over her head. Chris, I hope you and a team go but I also understand, in the present age of uncertainty, if you dont. However having just seen a darkened and reddened photo (the one of the back of Kriss strawberry blonde hair) you can see, in the top left, a door frame at the bottom of which is a dark floor. All very different from the happy silly girlie pictures at the beginning. David Lee Thomas Bass - Facts About the Musician. One obvious question - has anybody ever found the place that is in this photograph. The black twigs can be seen growing up, as all vegetation/trees do to harness the sun, but the ones above her are clearly bent in a horizontal and parallel formation. It was the last time anyone saw the women alive. However, the tone of the pictures began to change. Although it might be the sun that gives her face a strange expression. However, any link that requires any form of downloads, account creation or spammy activity, to view linked content, will not be permitted. Were the photos altered in any way or is this a presumption? But the blue was also something I noticed. But others have suggested the chilling photos might have been taken by someone else after killing the girls. Some people claim that maybe photo #509 could have been corrupted as some sort of faulty camera configuration, but that wouldnt make sense even corrupted files retain some data and bits of the original file itself. I believe that this case WILL be solved. Its thought that Kremers and Froon were exploring nature without anyone else around. It doesnt matter. It is the poor color quality of the photograph with oversaturated reds that has people thinking they are seeing skulls and carcasses. It also looks like that red item is around her neck as well. Look for an ex-military man who may be the culprit. This means either the user became incapacitated and was not operating the phone or was seriously confused. I posted a link at Koude Kas of example of Monkeys playing with phones because they were entranced by the flash. Cheers. I really hope the girls rest in peace and that nobody goes through this ever. I did not cover all of the accidents and trials and tribulations along the way leading to their death.Jim. I think they were lost. Heres what I think happened. Given that most people crop off the top of this image, people would have missed the findings that I mention below. The ground is littered with leaves, twigs, and stones. Its perfectly normal and had they not tragically passed, its the type of photo theyd have been joking about later. Its up to the public now the government closed the case 6 years ago. See the State Department's travel website for the Worldwide Caution and Travel Advisories. Interesting that you. I have seen comment to suggest that they could have made the trip to the divide returned and then gone to another place but then why no more fotos on either phone or camera? Apart from the fact if she was photoshopped in this picture, i.m.o. What do you think?? The theory of being lost is so plausible in a Jungle but then the photos .. the speculation can never end. Someone mentioned a Jaguar? How many tourists go to Australia? Also theres a distinct small x made of branches or plastic in the top-mid right corner of the pic amongst the foliage that looks a part of the make shift roof/net. It most certainly is not a joke. It even appears they have some kind tattoo on their back. Why did he leave them? However, on closer inspection you can see that the left hand side of the post is really a vine or root hanging straight down and the white at the top is a patch of light in the background, as if there was a small narrow window in the bank Through which the sun is shining and it also looks as though someone is looking through it at Kris. There may be some evidence on its fur like fingerprintsdnaplant/vegetation etc. This figure has increased rapidly since the millionth tourist . He walked the trail with Ks parents, a sweet friendly lovely dog companion with big wise blue eyes, he is prominent in the video made by Ks parents as they walked the trail. December 12, 2022. Haha, Im assuming this is a joke, right? One day in June, the tribespeople bring him what he wants; The backpacks and the bodies. More info here. According the guidance given to the US Embassy, immigration officials will require tourists who leave the country to stay a minimum of 30 days outside of the country before reentering. However, Dutch authors Marja West and Jrgen Snoeren claim they have solved the mystery in their bookLost in The Jungle. Debra Ann Velleman, 70, of Waukesha, Wisconsin, and Sue Borries, 57, of Teutopolis, Illinois, both retired public school teachers, were part of a community of snowbirds and expats living in the area of Chame, Panama. Im not expecting any major reveals from Pitti shell probably just reinforce her previous statements with more insights. It does not make sense to me. If thats what Im seeing, I have no doubt that it was murder and that this photo and several others have been manipulated. In the yellow circle could be just a leaf, but not in the red one. I am thinking while I am writing so please be patient with me. A group of tourists have gone missing in an infamous Russian mountain pass where nine people died under mysterious circumstances more than 60 years ago. Kids in the area could have found the backpack and were just messing around with the camera. The place itself might reveal some clues as to what sort of person or people would construct it and what are the chances of them doing something bad. The picture where she is crossing the stream and looking back, her smile looks forced. Forced disappearance. They had plans to meet men there as their boyfriends.Check men they used to Date or seen. Also the severity of the situation would dictate the time to the first SOS call. From January to October, 86 Navajo men and women have gone missing nationwide, said Meskee Yanabah Yatsayte, a missing-persons advocate for . Her phone is dead. Yes the dog was owned by Giovanni and Doris, the owners of Il Pianista Restaurant. Guns are mostly for use in robberies, but these gangs prefer not to leave bullet holes its too obvious. A Panamanian search and rescue team helped recover the bodies after more than 690 hours of searching, authorities said. Even on my iPhone I could make it big enough to see odd things in the pic. However, calling emergency services doesnt require unlocking the phone, meaning a third party had to be involved. Certainly, each country around the world offers valuable experiences in their own way. Hi Chris, great work by you on this. Trials are too costly. Hi Abrahm, thank you for your comment. We are dealing with history here. This photo has been edited. Maybe the girls did perish deep in the jungle, but that doesnt rule out somebody causing them to get lost. Solvable: yes; but with each year that goes by less likely. Other than the dog, the young women went on their hike alone, only asking for directions from a local innkeeper, who advised them to take a taxi back to town. Might look harmless and untouched which is why she is standing so close but then she is either caught or trapped in a booby trap lol. The green rock directly in front of Kris appears to float in space. And if there would be any clue in them that the girls were hurt intentionally, the parents would not stop being vocal about it. It begins to rain. Rights of initiation? This is something I will surely investigate more and write about in the future. Their causes of death have never been determined. Ive even been contacted by people in Asia. Those two women were wearing very little clothing to be entering bush/jungle, there is no way that theyd easily make their way through vegetation, and, as they were clearly intelligent, why would they voluntarily just walk into dense bush? I cant explain it but again it resembles so many of the bizarre cases which author and former cop David Paulides has brought (thousands of these similar events) right here in the US and Canada. I wish there were more answers to what happened. Would they really have gone along a dark spooky ravine, which is obviously a dead end, if they were trying to find their way back to Boquete? I agree. Even the bones, the few that remain. While some believe Kris and Lisanne died in an accident, the ex-cop slammed the police investigation in Panama as shoddy and said it should be redone. And I think that sunlight she is trying t avoid also is the reason for her facial expression. Two intelligent girls could not be veering off course to this dense vegetation on their own accord. https://netherlandsnewslive.com/kris-and-lisanne-went-hiking-in-panama-but-never-left-the-jungle/151903/. Hi Kevin, Occums razor only applies when all facts are available. For the first handful, a correct password was entered. View our online Press Pack. Hi Chris! one girl got hurt, i think in the fall the camera got wet and bumped. Instead, they think What words can I say to make my local population feel better? After all, locals elect these same authorities. As soon as I zoomed in, my heart sank for her. Maybe they were forced by someone to go. The hanging object and other points of interest you highlighted reminded me of this. Because of thedark, the pairmight have usedthe camera flash as a light sourceor to scare away animals. Also subsequently one or the other phone connected without them obviously knowing. PANAMA CITY BEACH Local officials agree that traffic is the No. Not in the third world. The goal wouldnt be to identify suspects or disrupt anyones life. We live in interesting times. I read that the dog returned to town in the evening, alone, but I havent seen it in any pictures. They were not lost. Also, I live in El Salvador, less than 1,000 kilometers from Panama, which has many cultural similarities. Definitely foul play, in my opinion. Alex Humphrey disappeared . Jeroen Jumulet / Stringer / AFP / Getty Images, Blue returned from the hike unaccompanied. She is obviously excited by the weird place they have found. I havent spotted the finger with the silver ring in photo IMG_0580 thats the name of the hair photo, and in the night photos you found out that there are not one but two individuals that are of native origin nonetheless, which specific photos led you to that conclusion? Take care. From my understanding, the various teams communicate with each other about which parts of the case they are investigating, and collaborate occasionally to share information. Dogs are very independent here. Over 60% of the missing person cases involving foreigners in the Cancun area have not been solved according to a new report. This! Or another type of colorful animal found in the jungle? Or locals found the bodies and stole the bag and items. So, these were all indigenous locals influenced by another villager that had traveled abroad. How close was this tribe to where they went missing? Years later, some people still believe someone killed the pair. Its a complex topic. This tells me that they had a time in their minds of what time to leave to get back to their host home in Boquette. The FBI and others have continuously tried to stonewall him from publicly making these cases and their bizarre circumstances publicly known. The non-waterproof lycra backpack mysteriously shows up, with completely dry contents. She looks disorientated almost. Most travelers that have big experiences want to remember the small details of trips, because the trip represents an important memory in their life. The remains of both women were found soon after that. You mention the research team. For forensic work, any such upsampling is worthless. The backpack had no scratches, no marks, the camera and mobile phones inside are as good as new. & is that some sort of an entrance to a cave or another makeshift structure shes crouching to take a look inside- or is a part of the trail in that spot purposefully made lower & narrower in order to pass through? Once there, the families and detectives began a massive search. So this photo may possibly offer more insight into the story. At 2:50 they start walking up to what I believe is the location in this photograph, Not a cave but an old bridge you can see the railing and bridge post and there is a weird shadow to the left behind the railing. If you look at her shirt, it appears to be red and white striped. No replies are deleted except in rare cases of spam, inappropriate language/links, or disrespect to another contributor. If I saw a cow skull hanging in a tree I would get the hell out of there, not pose for a photo. Update Dec 2, 2021: The full-resolution version of this photo was released in 2021. THANK GOD SOMEONE IS SEEING WHAT I SEE. It happens often and I cant even imagine how horrible it was. Highlighted areas of interest (some not yet discussed I think): I think the night pictures were made by the killers to make it look like they were lost and trying to signal for help. I think this was a setup for the 2 girls from the beginning. Thanks Chris!! However, if this photo showed that someone had hit her, why would the culprit not delete it along with photo 509. I think most of what people are seeing -other than the obvious, of course- is pareidolia. The authors told The Daily Beast: "It actually came as a surprise to us too, but our conclusion had to be that it was an accident. The rich live in gated communities. Eight tourists from Moscow who. If you zoom in on the picture, I noticed that her face almost seems distorted, almost as though it was swelled up? Are you familiar with the Koude Kaas blogs about this case? Seriously? A wave of deadly exorcisms have griped the country, under the guise of religion, at the hand of a death cult. Hay incongruencias en fechas y horas de los testigos y de los registros de los telfonos y la cmara, pero lo que ms me ha inquietado es la foto 506. Much information is second hand. It would also show that the photos had been truly messed about with, as this one is supposed to come before the photos of her crossing the stream. The sign actually looks like a door with light shining thru.thats crazy. And the police know who it is, but will not say anything. I dont know what Chris means by this, but at first I thought it was a wooden post sticking up from the ground and painted white at the top. because why else would they have continued access to their phones for the next week? I dont know if youve noticed this or not. An explosion in tourism has saved Iceland's economy. I also see the handing ornament, whatever that is called and definitely a roof structure with leaves and branches above her. It would be like a marker for anyone to see. Froon had a Canon Powershot SX270 HS which contained numerous photos, many of which were of the period of time leading up to the day of the girls disappearance. I do think it looks like red flowers growing through the structure, and whilst I agree that it does look like there is some sort of symbol on the tree, after studying her pose from the photo above, I dont think she would be acting / posing like that if there was a creepy ass symbol scrawled into the tree! I prefer to think that the two girls had some sort of accident, still horrific but better than being murdered. This case really creeps me out, specially the findings and the pictures. EERIE photos discovered on a camera belonging to two missing hikers revealed their mysterious final moments before both girls vanished in the jungle in Panama. It is possible for incompetence to work in conjunction with interests to protect key industries. Which other objects in this photo look unnatural to you? On April 1, 2014, two students from the Netherlands namedLisanneFroon and Kris Kremers went on a hike in Panama with a dog. A tragedy and a mystery but in its core, this is only a horrible accident. This person was a local cleric. When a bad break happens at ankle level and the body decomposes and gets scavenged once the flesh and muscle is gone the foot and shoe are separated from the rest of the leg. That is EXACTLY what it looks like to me! . The police, the media attention, the suspicions on him. Is this in dispute? Could be that they were trying to avoid somebody on the trail, went off the oath & got lost. Cops quizzed locals, tour guides and other hikers, but only the photos and call logs provided a slither of evidence as to what had happened. And more on this most people in Latin America that permit their dog to walk freely do not keep track of where their dog goes. I wonder why the girls didnt do any text messages even if they never got through? Lastly, I totally see animal pelts inside the structure. So many questions and there is no clear starting place like a police report to read. But without DNA samples, finger prints, etc, its hard to prove anything. He ledo toda la compilacin y visto la mayora de videos. With all the misinformation thrown out there and poor follow up work (likely to protect tourism), any ones guess is possible. A well-worn path. His . incredibly complicated for a new story to be written. Perhaps every murder in the first world is resolved. Article about our trip plans: Research Team Update Support Us, Campaign Link: Mapping The Jungle Trails Of Panama. If a psychic reading leads to some legitimate form of tangible evidence and made public, then thats excellent, but otherwise I think its mostly a distraction. You can even see the smudges or blurring on the bottom of the plants into the dark areas in an attempt to blend the darkness area (where something or someone was likely standing). Before you even pointed out the manmade ceiling structure I noticed that. Im not understanding why they bothered to create a cover story. Several of the relatives and friends of those visitors to the Quintana Roo who went missing formed a group named "Truth, Memory, and Justice" in an attempt to . Like you would get from being hit. Just a few weeks later hes found dead. Haha. Accordingly, Kremers's phone was powered-on one last time on April 11, 2014; both phones wentdead afterward. And two months later, a pelvic bone and a foot - still inside a boot - were found in the same area, according to La Estrella de Panama. Theres no telling how many people touched it before the police got it. Rest fell off of the one hour bridge in Bastrop brains and on the rocks below some photos show her dead body laying down there. Also, the other ones arent covered by man-made support structures. There is nothing ominous or cause for concern in this particular pic. Its a sect of foreign Christians that set up in the area and murdered 6 people FROM one of the local tribes. That said, tourists wear shorts and sandals because they are not used to the heat or aware of such social norms.
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