That final report has been out for months. The flight was operated by CommutAir under the United Express brand. The aircraft that arrived around 11:30 a.m. Monday also sustained unspecified damage and is remaining in place until investigators with the Federal Aviation Administration can assess the incident, Smith said. The United flights for the Newark-Presque Isle service are operated by CommuteAir, which is partly owned by United. I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. Occhione v. PSA Airlines, Inc., Case No. You had me till you brought up sex and skin Color. On the second approach when the FO stated he couldn't see the runway at a hundred feet, she should have called for a go around and did not. The NTSB determined that the probable cause of this accident was the flight crews decision, due to confirmation bias, to continue the descent below the decision altitude when the runway had not been positively identified.. The doomed 747 began flying in 1971. The first officer and two of the 28 passengers sustained minor injuries. The airplane was substantially damaged. Of the 31 passengers and crew onboard, two passengers and 1 crewmember received minor injuries. On March 4, 2019, a CommutAir flight suffered a runway excursion at Presque Isle International Airport. So the vaunted 121 safety system isn't exactly 100% effective? From June 2007 to October 2008, the aircraft was operating for Delta Connection before operating once again for Continental Express until October 2010 when it commenced operations for United Express. A part of defending the profession means telling people they just arent cut out for flying paying passengers and to pick a new career. Radar track data show that the airplane was aligned right of runway 1 during both approaches. Gotta wonder how many more lives need to be lost as a result of airlines looking to fill seats in the cockpit, before they realize sex and skin color are not relevant to qualifications to fly airplanes! Publicado hace 1 segundo. The NTSB has released a preliminary report from an incident in which a CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. So this guy gets hired and a couple of months later drives his caravan into the side of a hill, taking a passenger and copilot with him. Last Update: Saturday, Mar 4th 2023 20:54Z. Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 8:04:00AM EST, Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 9:15:00AM EST, Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 9:15:00PM EST, Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 9:30:00PM EST, Monday, March 11, 2019 at 12:37:00AM EDT, Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 8:50:00PM EDT, Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 6:49:00PM EST, Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 9:20:00PM EST, Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 12:20:00AM EDT. "Landed and slid to the right of the runway" and "landed on Runway 1 and then veered off" were respective initial statements from CommutAir and the FAA, both of which contradict the findings. Commutair. Airport maintenance staff later reported that the runway lights were not illuminated at the time. Nonetheless, they didnt call for a second go-around. The United Embraer EMB-145XR commuter jet, which was operated by regional carrier CommutAir under the United Express banner, took off from Newark Liberty International Airport this morning at. [4], The aircraft was substantially damaged and was subsequently written off as a result. On Mar 5th 2019 the FAA reported: "Commutair Flight 4933 Embraer E45X landed in the grass area beside the runway due to unknown circumstances." The occurrence was rated an accident. Categories . On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, a 50 passenger Embraer plane, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport in light to moderate snow. Rick Daigle said the scene inside the airplane as it landed was one of chaos with people screaming and seat parts popping off. The plane left Newark, New Jersey and landed in Presque Isle around 11:30 Monday morning. They also ping the FO for not using his CPAP in a few places. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Most reports focus on a single accident, though the NTSB also produces reports . Can anyone confirm the following?There was no runway involved in the accident Never landed on the runway.Captain had been fired from another airline.Captain was "difficult" (I'm trying to be nice here) to fly with. The NTSB announced two investigators have been dispatched to Presque Isle to investigate the accident of the United Express Embraer ERJ-145XR. Daigle said the plane then bounced four or five times before coming to a stop at a location far from the runway. He had been recently suffering from the flu and had lost sleep, and had made only limited and inconsistent use of his prescribed continuous positive airway pressure machine for several days leading to the accident. Radar track data show that the airplane was aligned right of runway 1 during both approaches. At 11:16EST, the pilots contacted airport staff[N 1] to verify that the runway lights were turned on at maximum brightness; the staff turned on the lights at the brightest setting. [5] Five people[5] were taken to the hospital including the first officer and two passengers who received minor injuries from the accident. Both pilots had missed entirely the runway, which was covered in about inch of snow, and only about 20% to 25% of it was visible. The pilot flying was a man. Going into MEX after midnight during thunderstorm season would have been a single pilot operation for me.I wonder how their CPP interview will go at U Was just released yesterday or day before that he completely missed the runway. Rule 3: We are seeing many changes in the hiring/retention environment in the airlines in the USA. This isnt surprising to me at all. What do you think about this accident? Hopefully these things wont slip through the cracks anymore. A month later we got a PRIA request from another operator. There were three minor injuries. Where is the NTSB Report on Commutair 4933? The National Transportation Safety Board traveled to the scene of this accident. At least five days before the accident, six pilots who flew into PQI encountered issues with the ILS localizer. The airplanes instruments indicated that the aircraft was located to the left of the ILS course. On the second attempt, the pilot landed off the runway between runway 1 and a parallel taxiway. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, operating the service for United Airlines onboard an Embraer EMB145XR, registration N14171, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI) when it impacted terrain to the right of the runway. Cassie Daigle took this photo inside the plane shortly after it stopped. Lets investigate further. Fired from what airline ? The line is connecting ADS-B datapoints from FlightAware. She nearly received a crew room beat down from one of my favorite ( but also very hot blooded) flight attendants. During the ensuing approach, both pilots said they saw the runway, albeit with difficulty due to snow. But ALPA is too scared theyll get hit by a DFR lawsuit. Press J to jump to the feed. Left Republic due to LOFT issueswhat does that mean??? The accident took place on a snowy day in 2019 at Presque Isle International Airport. The report determined the probable causes of this accident to be the flight crews decision, due to confirmation bias, to continue the descent below the decision altitude when the runway had not been positively identified. They have no business being in these cockpits. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Following the incident, Senator Collins contacted the National Transportation Safety Board and asked them to investigate the cause of the accident. Oh well, its not like lives are at stake or anything. A United Express Embraer EMB-145XR similar to the one involved in the accident. CA had a checkered (failure) history. [1]:15, Around the time of the first approach, the Automatic Weather Observation System (AWOS) at the airport was reporting wind from 060 at 4kn (4.6mph; 7.4km/h) and visibility of 0.50mi (0.80km) in moderate snow and freezing fog. I have started a talk page discussion about possibly revising the naming conventions to clearly address regional-brand flights. One pilot and three passengers were injured, and the aircraft was substantially damaged. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) says a United Express regional jet didn't slide off a runway in Maine it missed the runway altogether. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Ive seen interview flights of no more than 20 minutes lead to absolutely invaluable insight. We determine the probable cause of the accidents we investigate and issue . Back on March 4th of that year, A 50 passenger Embraer plane was attempting to land on runway 1 at the Presque Isle International Airport in light and moderate . The flight was operating under the provisions of Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 121 as a regularly scheduled domestic passenger from Newark International Airport (KEWR), Newark, New Jersey, to KPQI. And before anyone starts screaming discrimination and racism, go F off, I know pilots of every sex, color and creed that are outstanding aviators, AND I know white pilots that I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them! On Jul 8th 2022 the NTSB released their factual report reporting amongst other details: On March 2, 2019 (2 days before the accident), the flight crew of . The plane touched down then slid off the runway. The first officer commenced a second approach and verified that the aircraft was aligned with the ILS localizer. This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. But could have also been Line Oriented Flight Training. Do you want to learn about the safety record of Commutair? Left Virgin for "Paper work issues", never heard that reason before. I bet the Captain's story is, its the planes fault, or the airports fault? Pretty concerning when your livelihood is tied to things like accidents. The failed landing was the second attempt to land. A pilot and two passengers received minor injuries. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. [1]:34, The NTSB commented on the captain's flight training record. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. I have to wonder if I could have been honest, if that copilot and passenger would be alive today. The Daigles are parents to a 4 1 /2 year old son. The flight was operated by CommutAir under the United Express brand. We'll check the IP address and possibly reenable access. She failed her EMB-145 checkride during her initial attempt and was later placed under "increased scrutiny" by CommutAir twice. commutair 4933 ntsb report. They found that on the initial approach the crew executed a go-around as they weren't able to establish the runway, they saw snow and a structure with an antenna but no runway. Why has literally no information been put out by the NTSB? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The scene inside the airplane as it landed was one of chaos with people screaming and seats coming apart, Daigle said. For those who refer to the pilot as a man, I was a passenger in this plane, and the pilot was not a man. That woman has moved on now to a wide body. Rick and Cassie Daigle, owners of Too Far North Fitness in Fort Kent, were on this United flight that ended up off the runway at the airport in Presque Isle on Monday morning. I do not see how PRD will help that kind of situation. This accident occurred less than 2 weeks after the Atlas crash. Theyre famous here too! Remove the mounting nuts and the mounting bolts. There are probably so many qualified candidates out there that would be a joy to fly with but didnt get the job because they used the wrong greeting. It is preliminary and is based on the facts as they are known at this time. The pilot did not touch down on the first attempt. His degree in journalism allows him to form beautifully crafted and insightful pieces. On March 4, 2019, at 1143 eastern standard time, CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. Unfortunately, it was implemented way too late to catch things like Atlas and this, but thats the nature of the beast: reactive and years behind at best. This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. Couldnt find the original threads, but the docket is open. The first officer was the pilot flying and the captain was the pilot monitoring. Due to internet piracy we needed to close access to proxies. The airplane was substantially damaged. Pilots I know firsthand, who had massive training and proficiency issues, are now working for major carrierssome in heavy jets, others in the NB left seat. [1]:78, The aircraft ascended from a minimum altitude of 703ft (214m) mean sea level (MSL) [169ft (52m) above ground level (AGL)] to around 1,000ft (300m) MSL. A Commutair Embraer ERJ-145 on behalf of United, registration N14171 performing flight CS-4933/UA-4933 from Newark,NJ to Presque Isle,ME (USA) with Jul 8, 2022 . For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Strange incident with few details to this day. Rather scattered individual, always leaving something in the airplane, always some drama.Then she came back to C5 after whatever happened and having upgraded in 2015, I flew with her when she was rehired. 3:11-cv-05 | Casetext Search + Citator. For more information, please see our I work in the 135 world and I was shocked more companies dont fly their applicants either in the sim or an aircraft. Washington, D.C. Today, U.S. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. Fourteen minutes after the accident, visibility had improved to 0.75mi (1.21km), with scattered clouds at 800ft (240m) AGL, and an overcast ceiling at 1,300ft (400m) AGL. Subscribe . The National Transportation Safety Board is an independent federal agency charged by Congress with investigating every civil aviation accident in the United States and significant accidents in other modes of transportation highway, marine, pipeline , and railroad . Just because you are a pilot doesn't mean you are a good pilot and belong in a high performance part 121 aircraft! Operating Certificate(s) Held: Flag carrier (121), Operator Does Business As: United Express. 3.4. One landing gear sheered off and wedged between fuselage & left engine.N14171 Embraer ERJ-145 pic.twitter.com/Vg07liGiDU. [1]:1314, Flight 4933 departed from Newark Liberty International Airport around 10:04Eastern Standard Time(EST) (14:04UTC). In August 2016, the aircraft was transferred to CommutAir. She returned in May 2016. Moreover, prior to the second landing, the pilots discontinued the ILS approach after they had misidentified the runway. We climbed out on a ladder with the help of local firefighters, he said. [1]:710, CommutAir and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) initially reported that the aircraft had touched down on the runway and then slid off, but the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) later clarified that the aircraft had missed the runway entirely. PRESQUE ISLE, Maine (WABI) A United Express flight had a rough landing at Presque Isle's airport Monday leaving a pilot and four passengers with minor injuries, that according to city officials. United Express flight 4933, operated by CommutAir, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI), Maine, USA, and impacted terrain to the right of the runway. The first officer and two of the passengers were injured. That final report has been out for months. We use cookies to ensure you get the best experience on our site. There are pilots making it into airline cockpits that have had training failures at other airlines and they have been able to hide them from future employers. Not sure if this Captain is one of them, but she sure does seem to have had quite a few more failures then I would be comfortable flying with. He had not gone to sleep until around 1:00 EST the night before the accident due to flight and shuttle delays during the preceding workday, and he had only slept until 6:00 EST, about five hours, whereas he usually slept for about eight hours. Carguychris (talk) 19:14, 21 July 2022 (UTC), The result of the move request was: no consensus. The Aviation Herald offers quite sophisticated criteria to enable you select exactly those news, that are of real interest to you. The NTSB's conclusion led to other questions namely whether the plane was too old and worn out. I would prefer to add accidents in circumstances similar to this one: botched instrument approaches resulting in the aircraft touching down somewhere other than the intended landing runway. The aircraft was piloted by a 40-year-old captain who joined CommutAir in March 2013 before working for another air carrier in November 2015. CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. Of the 28 passengers and 4 crew members on board, four passengers and the pilot were taken to the hospital with minor injuries, said Kim Smith, Presque Isle public information officer. Accident: Commutair E145 at Presque Isle. There were 28 passengers and three crew members on board CommutAir flight 4933 flying from Newark to Presque Isle, the company said. [1]:15, In a post crash interview, the first officer of the flight stated that when he transitioned from looking at his flight instruments to the outside, all he could see was "white on white". Le 23 fvrier 2019, un Boeing 767 cargo effectuant le vol Atlas Air 3591 pour le compte d'Amazon Air, entre l'aroport international de Miami, en Floride, et l'aroport intercontinental George-Bush de Houston, au Texas, s'crase Trinity Bay, prs de la ville d'Anahuac, lors de son approche sur Houston.Les deux membres d'quipage et le seul passager prsent bord meurent dans l . Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. ALPA needs to be stop defending these pilots all the time. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, a 50 passenger Embraer plane, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport in light to moderate snow. If this is the same one, she was pretty infamous. On March 4, 2019, the Embraer EMB-145XR operating the flight touched down in a snow-covered grassy area to the right of the runway at Presque Isle International Airport, injuring three aircraft occupants and substantially damaging the aircraft. This community is for discussion among pilots, students, instructors and aviation professionals. The final straw was flying in IMC into a bay surrounded by mountains to eht to a local village (Alaska) the villagers complained loudly. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in. The NTSB report uses CommutAir in favor of United Express and through that, I note that nearly every article is mentioned through that convention (excluding Colgan Air Flight 3407 and a lengthy discussion about it took place if you see the archives. 3.5. Accident Reports are one of the main products of an NTSB investigation. [5], The final report was released by the NTSB on July 12, 2022, more than 3 years after the accident. CommutAir Flight 4933 - Per WP: COMMONNAME, crashes of . Anyone got any suggestions? The first officer was 51 years old and joined CommutAir in May 2018. Wow, clearly that investigator was a sport's guy, cause I wouldn't have known what to make of it. The non-flying pilot was a female captain with a history of training failures. Accident. At an Appropriations hearing in July 2019, Senator Collins raised this issue directly with then-Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao. The NTSB concluded that the probable cause of the accident was confirmation bias which prompted the crew to continue descending even though they had not positively identified the runway. [1]:5 Investigators found that the localizer antenna was surrounded by 25ft (0.611.52m) of snow; after confirming the reported localizer misalignment, the snow was cleared, and this caused correct localizer alignment to be restored. 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We tell them Our goal here is to overwhelm you to see how you handle it I watched one applicant put us in a 30 degree nose down tuning a radio.
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